Paper, electronic, or what?
Nikoli started publishing puzzles in paper media, books and magazines. Then we also went into electronic media such as the Internet, mobile phones, and game consoles, and there we have won a favorable reception. Today, we will talk about differences and commonalities between paper and electronic media. We have akasyo and aspirin with us today. From Nikoli there are NyanBaz and Nob.
NyanBazToday we'll talk about paper media and electronic media.
NobThere are a lot of people who began doing puzzles with a mobile phone or a PC.
NyanBazActually, akasyo made puzzles since there were no PCs. Do you make puzzles with paper now?
NobWhen you make puzzles with the PC it is really easy to update and get transcripts. Did you use a PC from the beginning, aspirin?
NyanBazDo you use paper or electronic media after thinking about how to solve the puzzles?
NobSure. Akari is easier to solve on the screen. That will create differences.
NyanBazWhy is a PC Akari easier to solve than on paper?
NobThere's also the support that Shikaku displays areas.
NobWith Numberlink there is support by showing the number of the points connected when you place the mouse cursor on the link.
NyanBazWith Numberlink, it's really helpful that you don't need an eraser.
NobYour fingers won't get dirty.
NobSudoku shows it clearly when something goes wrong either in solving or making it. Sudoku is clearly better electronically. There we can go back and undo the places that are wrong. With paper, the numbers are stuck in place. We have to delete everything and start again.
NyanBazIt's different when you are solving, but sometimes trial and error is all you have when making a problem.
NobOh, that works only with electronic devices. (laughs)
NyanBazMaybe, but if you solve problems only in nikoli.com. Trial and error is not helpful when you solve nikoli.com problems.
NobRight, maybe only for electronic devices. You can't do it with paper, but it's easy electronically.
NyanBazThat is something to ask the people solving the puzzles maybe.
NyanBazRight here. (He takes out paper and pen)
NobThere is no keyboard and operations are by touching the screen.
NyanBazLet's call them tablet terminals here, there are other devices that resemble them.
NyanBazThat's the kind of table appearing in a mobile phone or in a car catalogue. It helps to compare performance and functions of something.
NyanBazIt looks neat.
NobNo limitations, free placement.
NobOperating the cursor is harder than some of the other ways.
NobExactly. The cell size is too small for that really.
NyanBazThat's the function to paint a cell neatly with one stroke.
NyanBazYou have to move the cursor there.
NyanBazIt is possible with effort so the brackets.
NobThere only paper is ○.
NyanBazPaper can be solved anywhere.
NobThe PC would be close to ×.
NobThis is poor with paper. Everywhere else it is ○.
NyanBazThat's the function where you freely write your own symbols.
NobPaper is intermediate, △, I can do it if I think about it. The others are all ○.
NobDo you mean a function to see a ranking and the history of other persons?
NobHere paper would be ×. Are feature phones △?
NyanBazFeature phones will give you a ranking, but not the history.
NobHere only the PC becomes ○.
NobAny puzzle solver can scribble freely on printed paper. But an engineer must develop functions to add like a scribble function to the iPad. That adds time and cost really fast.
NyanBazThere are so many limits on the terminal side, with the feature phone, costs depend on development.
NobI want an item for the user reach.
NobI'm thinking about how many users it can reach. Because feature phones reach only mobile users in Japan, so it becomes ×. Here, the PC is △, because it's possible to play in nikoli.com if there is a machine and network environment. Paper can be played without machinery if we don't think about transportation so ○.
NobBecause small terminals are being toyed with throughout the world it's △. I don't know how far the tablet terminals have spread.
NyanBazWe will make it undecided. Something to pay attention to it in the future.
NyanBazWell, that is one thing we learned here.
NobWe have a really interesting table here.
NyanBazToday, we created something significant for use from now on. Thank you for today!
Discussion on Apr 2010 Published on May 27, 2013